“I Wanted To Make Him Morally Gray”: The Mandalorian Star Perfectly Explains How The Empire Survived In Star Wars For So Long

One of the stars of The Mandalorian has perfectly explained why the Star Wars galaxy allowed the Empire to cling to power for so long. The Empire has been Star Wars’ greatest villain since the start; the destruction of Alderaan in the first Star Wars movie – later reтιтled A New Hope – cemented the Empire as an irredeemable and genocidal organization.

Since 1977, Star Wars has expanded our understanding of the Empire as a ruling power. The Star Wars prequels and Star Wars: The Clone Wars showed us how the Empire became a viable insтιтution, while shows like Andor, Star Wars Rebels, and even The Mandalorian explored the extent of the Empire’s reach and treachery.

The Mandalorian proved just how deeply the Empire had dug its roots. Even after Palpatine’s brainchild was soundly defeated following the Battle of Endor and the Battle of Jakku, shreds of the Empire’s power structure remained, culminating in Moff Gideon’s secret operation and the Imperial Shadow Council, soon to be led by the formerly exiled Grand Admiral Thrawn.

One such member of the residual Empire was Dr. Penn Pershing, portrayed by Omid Abtahi in The Mandalorian, who worked as an Imperial scientist on Palpatine’s and later Gideon’s cloning projects. At this year’s Denver Fan Expo, where ScreenRant is in attendance, Abtahi explained how he approached playing such a morally dubious character, and how the Empire fueled Pershing’s obsession with science:

“Even though he works for the Empire, what I found interesting about him was that he was, to me, in my mind, science was above all else. The Empire were the people who allowed him to do the science. So, to me, I really wanted to make him morally gray.”

What Abtahi’s Comments Reveal About The Empire In Star Wars

The Empire’s Atrocities Were Hidden For Too Long

While Abtahi’s comments are directly related to his Mandalorian character, Dr. Pershing, they reveal a wider truth about the Empire as well. People were willing to turn a blind eye to the Empire’s actions so long as it benefited them personally.

In many cases, the Empire gave people what they wanted – for Pershing, this meant unlimited experimental resources – and, so long as the Empire could keep the lid on, or spin the truth about what they were doing elsewhere, the Imperial machine was viewed as yet another form of government, easily ignored.

It wasn’t until the Empire’s atrocities came to light that the public started to see the horrific reality of what the Empire was doing to innocent worlds and people. The turning point was undoubtedly the Ghorman Mᴀssacre, recently depicted in Andor. Senator Mon Mothma publicly labeling the Mᴀssacre as genocide and explicitly calling out Palpatine as a villain changed everything.

Our Take On The Mandalorian’s Dr. Pershing

Can Former Imperials Truly Be Redeemed?

Dr. Pershing was far from the only Imperial scientist, officer, or grunt to have been deceived or misled by the Empire. Many of the Empire’s workers had volunteered, but to what extent had they been lied to? Would they have joined if they had known that the Empire was building a virtually indestructible super weapon? Would they have joined if they could see past the “perks of the job”?

The Empire gave people the illusion of peace, control, and prosperity, and brought the Star Wars galaxy to its knees from the shadows.

That’s the question asked by one of The Mandalorian’s most interesting yet out-of-place episodes. In the season 3 episode “Chapter 19: The Convert,” Pershing is enrolled in the New Republic’s Amnesty Program, a rehabilitation program for former Imperials. Eventually, though, Pershing once again succumbs to his love of science, following the devious Elia Kane (one of Moff Gideon’s plants) to steal experimental supplies off a decommissioned Imperial ship.

Claudia Gray’s canon Star Wars novel, Lost Stars, explores the Empire’s reach and public perception in depth, as well as how it functions as a recruitment organization.

Yes, Pershing claims that he only wants to use science to help people, a noble goal and one that directly contradicts everything the Empire stood for. If he’s willing to align himself with whoever’s offering him resources, however, exactly how morally right is he? At what point does wanting to help people become an obsessive, selfish, harmful quest?

The Empire survived for years by playing it safe. They gave people the illusion of peace, control, and prosperity, and brought the Star Wars galaxy to its knees from the shadows.

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  • The Mandalorian (2019) TV Show Poster

    Created by

    Jon Favreau

    Cast

    Pedro Pascal, Carl Weathers, Gina Carano, Giancarlo Esposito, Nick Nolte, Taika Waiтιтi, Emily Swallow, Ming-Na Wen, Temuera Morrison, Rosario Dawson

    TV Show(s)

    The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka

    Upcoming Films

    The Mandalorian & Grogu

    First TV Show

    The Mandalorian

    First Episode Air Date

    November 12, 2019

    “The Mandalorian” is a live-action Star Wars television series set in the post-Empire galaxy, five years after the events of “Return of the Jedi.” The series follows the adventures of a lone bounty hunter, Din Djarin, who becomes the protector of a mysterious child known as Grogu (popularly referred to as “The Child” or “Baby Yoda”). Combining elements of Westerns, samurai films, and classic Star Wars lore, “The Mandalorian” has become a cultural phenomenon, praised for its storytelling, character development, and visual effects.


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    George Lucas

    Cast

    Mark Hamill, James Earl Jones, David Prowse, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor, Rosario Dawson, Lars Mikkelsen, Rupert Friend, Moses Ingram, Frank Oz, Pedro Pascal

    TV Show(s)

    The Mandalorian, Andor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, The Acolyte, Star Wars: Skeleton Crew, Lando, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, Star Wars: The Bad Batch, Star Wars: Resistance, Star Wars: Young Jedi Adventures, Star Wars: Visions

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    Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope

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    Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace, Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones, Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope, Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi, Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens, Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi, Star Wars: Episode IX- The Rise of Skywalker, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, Solo: A Star Wars Story, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi, Star Wars: New Jedi Order

    Character(s)

    Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Rey Skywalker, Emperor Palpatine / Darth Sidious, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ahsoka Tano, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Grand Inquisitor, Reva (The Third Sister), The Fifth Brother, The Seventh Sister, The Eighth Brother, Yoda, Din Djarin, Grogu, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, Leia Organa, Ben Solo/Kylo Ren

    Star Wars is a multimedia franchise that started in 1977 by creator George Lucas. After the release of Star Wars: Episode IV- A New Hope (originally just тιтled Star Wars), the franchise quickly exploded, spawning multiple sequels, prequels, TV shows, video games, comics, and much more. After Disney acquired the rights to the franchise, they quickly expanded the universe on Disney+, starting with The Mandalorian.


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